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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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yes it's the skeptic's own podcast

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episode number

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703 for the

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27th of march 2022

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i know sometimes i say 2021

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you know how it is maybe you'll like me

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it's richard saunders here by the way

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you're

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you could be like me

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sometimes especially in the first part

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of any given year you keep saying it's

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the last year

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i remember when the years ticked over to

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uh from 1999 to the year 2000 for some

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years after that i would catch myself

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starting to write the date or the year

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with one nine

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as if it was still 19 something or other

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maybe you're like me

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what am i doing oh yes it's the skeptic

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zone podcast episode i've said all that

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it's a rainy day here in sydney again

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can you believe it again what's coming

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up on this week's show what's coming up

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we're going to start with a story sort

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of a catch-up story some weeks ago i

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talked about

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facebook running

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well in my opinion very unwise

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advertising for dodgy products

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devices that can't possibly work

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services like psychic services which in

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our opinion certainly don't work

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and in the last week or so

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facebook meta matter being the parent

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company of course have

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themselves being sued by the australian

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competition and consumer commission here

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in australia

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or crypto schemes a couple of years back

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so we covered this story and posed the

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if facebook can get sued or meta might

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be more

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uh precise can get sued i'll have action

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taken against it for this sort of

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then why not for other dodgy products

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following that it's the australian

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skeptics newsletter read once again

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with

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from canada what's coming up

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what's the news what's happening

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with australian skeptics compiled by tim

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bendum and then tim joins us for the

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book of tim and this week a very

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interesting first part of a two-parter

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tim looks at the history of the word

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quack

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civilizations

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the practices of ancient greece

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and this is a story written by tim

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harding

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then to round off the show it's back to

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the trove archives

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an interesting trove of archives this

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week i hope they're always interesting

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called superminds

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that which is now

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a big shout out to my friends in

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victoria and thank you to michelle

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bigesma and ko for arranging

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for me last week to speak at the vic

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skeptics cafe i gave a talk about the

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project it was a good turnout

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friends in victoria who haven't seen for

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an informal catch up so thank you

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interesting story to be sure

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of australian skeptics and television

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had never approved them the watchdog

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deceptive conduct and quote the a triple

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a medical claim it says here buddha

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view or whatever it is what if your

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point of view is rubbish what if you're

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i think i prefer critical thinking

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because as much as it's tempting to

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think i could have some sort of magical

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see my point of view it's something they

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really have to come to themselves

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cult leader in the world would love to

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have a magical system to make people

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this spooky 2 scalar

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spooky 2 scalar energy as the most

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advanced and effective energy healing

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methods

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is known for its healing properties it

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can be applied to reduce and possibly

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discover why over ten thousand backers

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scalar energy will be the wave of the

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treatment device to provide three

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different methods of transmitting

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healing scalar waves

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pure scalar molecular scalar and rife

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scalar needless to say this is

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uh considered to be complete

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pseudoscience

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and of course we have the usual lineup

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psychic medium donny young

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psychic medium donna young accurate

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predictions

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really she should uh

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she should have a read of the great

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australian psychic prediction project

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book now sixty dollars psychic medium

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michelle bagnor booker reading

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michelle's services

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psychic medium readings receive messages

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of guidance clarity and comfort from

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your past over loved ones or guides

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pendulum readings michelle's pendulum is

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very accurate receive the divine answers

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to five closed questions with a pendulum

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reading

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well

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make of that

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what you will now what i'm not seeing

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now but i do see frequently

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are ads with people claiming that they

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can remove your curse

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or black magic and this is an old scam

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here in australia and i'm sure in other

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parts of the world

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and there is a percentage of the

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population who are vulnerable

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who really do believe that their

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misfortune

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or what have you

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is the result of

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some sort of curse or black magic and

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indeed there have been scams in the past

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where the scammers get the victims to

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bring in cash thousands of dollars in

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cash to cleanse the cash

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of the evil forces

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and of course

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the cash is very cleansed because the

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poor victim

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never sees it again

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but to get back to my original point

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meta are in trouble for letting

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the scam ads appear on their platform

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but i think they should take a good hard

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look at all the other

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to be polite and diplomatic questionable

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advertising that is found on facebook

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i'll link to the original article from

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bloomberg in this week's show notes

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hi there i'm abhijeet and i host the

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rationable podcast on be rational.com

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every couple of weeks i science the hell

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out of alternative medicines health and

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nutrition fads social media forwards

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science news and lots more of course you

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can find all of my articles podcast

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episodes and lots more on

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see you there and until then

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[Music]

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hello everyone it's adrian hill from

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canada here to read the highlights from

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the australian skeptics newsletter

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this is newsletter number 144.

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you can subscribe to this newsletter and

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get it delivered to your inbox every

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other week complete with links to all

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the stories

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www.skeptics.com.a you

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but now let's get to the newsletter and

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see what tomendum has lined up for us hi

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all says tim

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is the therapeutics good administration

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getting more active in calling alt-med

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providers into line over false or

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unfounded claims

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two companies find in the last couple of

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weeks seems to be a higher rate than

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normal albeit nowhere near enough to

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cover the plethora of complaints made

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over the months and years

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nonetheless we continue elsewhere with

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sears psychics ufos ghosts and the more

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positive aspects of helping people learn

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read on

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tim

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guilty plea on illegal health claims

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gold coast company future pro has

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pleaded guilty to seven breaches of the

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therapeutic goods act 1989 for the

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unlawful import export manufacturer

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supply and advertising of herbal

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medicines

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blood root and gumby gumby

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as an aside i have to say i have learned

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so much from reading this newsletter at

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first i thought there were two green

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bendy toys ground up into herbal

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medicine but now i know that there is a

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small shrub or tree that is found in

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australia that is called gumby gumby it

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is green i wonder how bendy it is

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now back to the herbal medicine

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they made claims about the blood root

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and gumby gumby relating to the

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prevention and treatment of illnesses

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including various types of cancers

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the director of the company also pleaded

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guilty to a further seven criminal

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charges with a sentencing hearing set

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for the 28th of april 2022 at southport

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homeopathy research seriously sucks

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research on homeopathy is often biased

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to make it look more effective than it

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really is according to a new study

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published in the british medical journal

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homeopathy researchers routinely neglect

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to register the details of their

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clinical trials before they publish

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their results and unregistered trials

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usually provide rosier results that

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registered ones the study found

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note the link in the headline is to an

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article in gizmodo getting a copy of the

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study from the british medical journal

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is a bit more difficult

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ufo photoblog

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for those interested in serious

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investigation in ufos or uaps you might

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like to take a look at photocat that's

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spelled

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f-o-t-o-c-a-t

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since 2000 this has been a project owned

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and managed by visante juan ballister

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almost with the purpose of creating a

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catalog of all worldwide ufo photo

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events it is a very skeptical site with

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in-depth assessments of claims both

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recent and historical

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brian cox says he doesn't believe in

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aliens

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physicist tv personality and one-time

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pop star brian cox said it is unlikely

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that aliens exist because the chances of

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sophisticated life evolving like humans

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are simply too low the concept of are we

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alone is looked at in an article in the

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march 2022 issue of the skeptic

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fake psychic

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it's a six-part series of podcasts from

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bbc sounds on quote the stranger than

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fiction story of lamar keane a renowned

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psychic who confessed to being part of

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an underground network he called the

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psychic mafia end quote

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did bulgarian seer predict putin's

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victory in ukraine

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it's big news everywhere as you would

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expect when quote putin will become the

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lord of the world while europe will

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become a wasteland end quote

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except that neither the blind seer baba

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venga nor her russian interpreter

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valentin sidderov actually said it but

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what they really said is a more

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interesting story

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youtube of note vulture watch a new

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youtube channel of skeptical videos

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takes a look at the healy treatments as

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featured in the last newsletter when the

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tga issued a 26 thousand dollar fine

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vulture watch is about quote creating

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awareness of exploitation irrationality

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discrimination or misinformation end

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quote

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it delves into the motives of such

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vulturous activities and looks at how it

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can hold such behavior accountable and

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so far has looked at homeopathy

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anti-vaxxers and the healy product and

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he's only just beginning well worth a

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watch

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an interview with mr vulture can be

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heard on the last episode of the skeptic

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zone episode

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702. the march 2022 issue of the skeptic

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is out and it features a look at the

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ticks and tactics of high-level athletes

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to improve their performance a

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combination of superstition and

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pseudoscience that is nonetheless very

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influential on fans and would be

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champions

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the issue also features articles on what

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exactly is agenda 21 what

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do your own research entails how a

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well-known critic of parapsychology had

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a change of heart

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yeah well sort of and much more

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so if you haven't subscribed yet now is

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the time to do so

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resource problem means ghosts becoming

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dormant

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dr paul lee a top paranormal expert

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no one ever quotes a minor paranormal

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expert says that ghosts have become

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dormant in the uk's top demon hot spots

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and they are now very inactive

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quote it could be that a spirit had a

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natural source of energy to begin with

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which has dwindled away over time

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leaving them without the reserves to

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manifest anymore end quote the expert

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says

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but don't fear ghosts can recharge

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themselves they just have to find the

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right shape plug a job for a top

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meteorite will end life on earth on may

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6 apparently

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a mexican astrologer padme vedante

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predicts we have less than two more

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months before the big kaboom so don't

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bother packing your bags as there won't

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be any place to go unfortunately for

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vedante according to asteroid tracking

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service space reference nasa being the

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spoil sports they are are saying the

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body in question will pass within 10

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million 275

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352 kilometers of earth in

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2092 and is classified as quote not a

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potentially hazardous object end quote

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[Music]

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there is more to read in the newsletter

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when you sign up but for now this is

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adrian hill signing off from the land of

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see you later

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[Music]

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hello this is maynard did you know that

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you can listen to the skeptic zone on

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youtube yes i know sounds crazy but it's

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also you can hear 40 logical fallacies

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with michelle bickersmart and funny

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sketches with richard saunders and a

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just click on the youtube links on the

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[Music]

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and now

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a reading from the book of tim

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[Music]

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with tim menden

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[Laughter]

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and just before we get into the book of

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tim this week hello tim it's tim here at

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the skeptic's own studios to record

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we're going to be uh he's going to be

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looking at something called the call of

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the quack but tim before you start to

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read and over the months and the years

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you've been reading

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excerpts from the magazine what are you

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looking for

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maybe it's from our listeners who want

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to write for the skeptic always welcome

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always look forward to the contributions

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richard

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is it's the lifeblood of a magazine it

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is actually original articles or letters

573
00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:09,840
or opinion pieces

574
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:11,600
or leads even just on stories that are

575
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:12,960
worthwhile

576
00:24:17,909 --> 00:24:15,600
always happy to consider them and what

577
00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:17,919
is the best thing to do is to email me

578
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:20,000
with an idea right about what you would

579
00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:21,360
like to write about or what you think

580
00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:23,120
should be covered and then we can

581
00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:24,559
discuss it

582
00:24:27,669 --> 00:24:26,320
and then if you want you can write about

583
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:27,679
it and we can sort of give you the right

584
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:30,320
tone to write an article in which is not

585
00:24:34,230 --> 00:24:32,559
too heavy scientific yeah a little

586
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:34,240
peer-reviewed journal right but

587
00:24:38,390 --> 00:24:37,120
something which is of interest to um the

588
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:38,400
readers and the readers have a wide

589
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:39,520
range of

590
00:24:43,590 --> 00:24:41,279
interests themselves

591
00:24:46,149 --> 00:24:43,600
and then we can work out and sort of

592
00:24:49,110 --> 00:24:46,159
process how an article or opinion piece

593
00:24:51,029 --> 00:24:49,120
might work it's best to email me first

594
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:51,039
because we do get the situation

595
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:52,880
especially with book reviews when

596
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:54,480
someone writes a book review and say hey

597
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:55,520
you should publish this so we have to

598
00:24:59,110 --> 00:24:57,600
say yeah we did the last issue you know

599
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:59,120
so sorry about that

600
00:25:01,990 --> 00:25:00,720
yeah sorry to waste your effort and time

601
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:02,000
in doing it but it's best that's why

602
00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:03,679
it's best to see if it's something's

603
00:25:07,830 --> 00:25:05,760
been covered before yeah but welcome it

604
00:25:08,510 --> 00:25:07,840
very much they can write to me at editor

605
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:08,520
at

606
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:10,320
skeptics.com.iu

607
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:12,480
and very keen to hear what people might

608
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:14,640
say yeah and some of our listeners have

609
00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:16,240
all have done that already over the

610
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:18,000
while and they've ended up in print with

611
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:19,760
reports published and they've become

612
00:25:23,669 --> 00:25:22,159
famous and and what a notable

613
00:25:26,230 --> 00:25:23,679
case in point would be our reporter

614
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:26,240
adrian hill absolutely who started as a

615
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:28,000
listener to the skeptic zone and uh

616
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:29,840
eventually ended up being published in

617
00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:31,600
in the magazine yeah we've published uh

618
00:25:36,390 --> 00:25:33,039
articles and things by a number of the

619
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:36,400
reporters on the skype exam mandy yes um

620
00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:38,400
uh we've published uh things by trisha

621
00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:41,200
and we published it by

622
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:43,279
of course may not make it hard of course

623
00:25:47,669 --> 00:25:45,120
over the years yeah occasionally from

624
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:47,679
what's the guy's name richard richard uh

625
00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:50,240
sunday richard and sundry yesterday

626
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:51,919
by him and two okay sometimes he's a bit

627
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:54,640
annoying but we like to keep him happy

628
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:56,400
anyway folks there's the clue if you

629
00:26:01,350 --> 00:25:59,039
think you have an idea to be um

630
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:01,360
considered contact tim send him pitch

631
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:02,880
your idea you might have a book review

632
00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:04,559
indeed or you might have a report or a

633
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:06,400
story about some paranormal

634
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:08,880
pseudoscientific thing of an interest to

635
00:26:12,310 --> 00:26:10,640
you and you never know you might end up

636
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:12,320
in print but now and then you might end

637
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:13,600
up back on the skeptic zone and you

638
00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:14,960
might never pick on the scoping side

639
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:16,559
which will please me

640
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:18,559
it all it's a cycle of life tim it all

641
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:21,039
comes around what comes to rank

642
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:22,880
but now i'll

643
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:25,120
give it back to you and we can take up

644
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:35,430
hi my name is team mendom i'm the

645
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:37,279
executive officer of australian skeptics

646
00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:39,360
inc and editor of our journal the

647
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:42,080
skeptic which you can download for free

648
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:44,159
most of the issues from our website

649
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:46,720
skeptics.com.iu

650
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:49,360
and today i'll be happy to do the first

651
00:26:53,590 --> 00:26:52,240
part of a two-part story called the call

652
00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:53,600
of the quack

653
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:55,039
which is by one of our regular

654
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:57,039
correspondents tim harding

655
00:27:02,310 --> 00:26:59,120
who looks at the origin of western

656
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:02,320
quackery including the word itself

657
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:04,240
and the worker

658
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:06,400
so if you're interested in quacks and

659
00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:08,770
quackery this is the place to start

660
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:16,310
as the australian comedian and musician

661
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:18,720
tim mentioned once said by definition

662
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:20,880
alternative medicine has either not been

663
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:23,440
proved to work or has been proved not to

664
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:24,240
work

665
00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:25,600
you know what they call alternative

666
00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:27,840
medicine that has been proved to work

667
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:29,679
they call it medicine

668
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:31,520
the corollary of mentions theoretical

669
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:34,000
question might be what should we call

670
00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:35,600
alternative medicine that has been

671
00:27:40,389 --> 00:27:37,760
proved not to work

672
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:40,399
i recently asked this question at my

673
00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:42,480
local skeptics in the pub meeting

674
00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:44,399
eliciting an immediate and resounding

675
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:46,799
chorus of quackery

676
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:49,279
on his quack watch website dr stephen

677
00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:51,600
barrett defines quackery as the

678
00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:53,840
promotion of unsubstantiated methods

679
00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:56,240
that lack a scientifically plausible

680
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:57,440
rationale

681
00:28:01,510 --> 00:27:59,200
this definition includes questionable

682
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:01,520
ideas as well as questionable products

683
00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:04,320
and services regardless of the sincerity

684
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:06,080
of their promoters

685
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:07,919
in line with this definition barrett

686
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:10,399
reserves the word fraud only for

687
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:12,720
situations in which deliberate deception

688
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:14,240
is involved

689
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:16,399
so where did quackery come from

690
00:28:21,269 --> 00:28:19,200
the word quack derives from the archaic

691
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:21,279
word quack solver

692
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:23,760
of dutch origin literally meaning hawker

693
00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:26,559
of salve s-a-l-v

694
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:28,880
the quack solvers sold their wares on

695
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:31,840
the market by shouting in a loud voice

696
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:34,000
in the middle ages the word quack

697
00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:35,520
meant shouting

698
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:37,600
these days we tend to associate quackery

699
00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:39,679
with dodgy products and practices from

700
00:28:45,029 --> 00:28:42,640
the 19th century such as snake oil

701
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:45,039
miracle hair tonics magnetic bracelets

702
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:47,039
and homeopathic remedies

703
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:48,960
but the origins of western quackery

704
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:50,880
actually go back much further

705
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:53,440
to the cradle of western civilization in

706
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:56,000
ancient greece and rome

707
00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:58,000
in these ancient times scientific

708
00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:00,080
experimental methods had not yet been

709
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:03,200
developed let alone clinical trials

710
00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:04,880
medical observations were largely

711
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:07,120
confined to patients as individuals

712
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:09,679
rather than as a cohort or group ancient

713
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:11,520
physicians were not much better than

714
00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:13,840
naturopaths when it came to empirical

715
00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:15,360
evidence

716
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:17,600
without scientific data from treatment

717
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:19,760
groups versus control groups it was

718
00:29:23,590 --> 00:29:21,440
difficult to know which treatments

719
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:23,600
worked and which didn't

720
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:25,440
as a result there was no clear dividing

721
00:29:31,029 --> 00:29:28,399
line between medicine and quackery

722
00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:31,039
ancient medicine in quotes

723
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:33,200
consisted of a mishmash of well-meaning

724
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:35,279
but misguided treatments by physicians

725
00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:37,360
and surgeons faith healers herbal

726
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:39,440
remedies aromatherapy other

727
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:42,159
superstitions and even sorcery or magic

728
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:44,320
sound familiar that's right many of

729
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:46,159
these weird ancient beliefs have carried

730
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:48,720
through to the quackery of today as a

731
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:51,840
legacy of the vast roman empire

732
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:52,960
but let's look at the ancient greek

733
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:54,960
medicine the first notable greek

734
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:56,960
physician may have been the poet homer

735
00:30:01,590 --> 00:30:00,000
in the 17th or eighth century bce

736
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:01,600
in his iliad

737
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:03,440
homer describes various medical

738
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:05,279
techniques such as the extraction of

739
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:07,440
arrows the treatment of wounds the

740
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:09,120
application of dressings and the

741
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:12,000
dispensing of soothing drugs

742
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:13,679
the homeric poems

743
00:30:17,669 --> 00:30:15,440
provide a glimpse of ancient medical

744
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:17,679
ideas and practices long before the

745
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:19,279
formal documentation of medical

746
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:21,360
literature it is significant that

747
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:23,600
practical medical treatment appears to

748
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:26,000
have been provided in this early period

749
00:30:30,389 --> 00:30:27,840
probably as a matter of military

750
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:30,399
necessity so that wounded soldiers could

751
00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:33,200
be saved to fight another day

752
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:34,880
reliance on the gods or faith healing

753
00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:36,720
seems to have come later

754
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:38,720
to some extent in parallel with advances

755
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:40,480
in medical treatment

756
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:43,279
the god of healing asclepius had a

757
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:46,000
shrine at epiduras in southern greece

758
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:48,000
where miraculous recoveries were said to

759
00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:50,799
have been made by the sick and lame by

760
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:53,360
sleeping in the temple overnight

761
00:30:57,230 --> 00:30:55,600
a greek lyric poet from thieves named

762
00:31:01,590 --> 00:30:57,240
pindar

763
00:31:03,509 --> 00:31:01,600
522-443 bc wrote asclepias delivered all

764
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:03,519
of them from their different pains

765
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:05,039
tending some of them with gentle

766
00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:07,360
incantations others with soothing

767
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:09,679
potions or by wrapping remedies all

768
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:11,760
around their limbs and others he's set

769
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:14,240
right with surgery

770
00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:15,919
there are also apothecaries who

771
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:18,240
harvested herbs and prepared drugs

772
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:20,320
accompanying their ministrations with

773
00:31:24,990 --> 00:31:23,200
important rituals and incantations

774
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:25,000
theophrastus

775
00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:28,080
371-287 bce who was a student of

776
00:31:33,909 --> 00:31:30,320
aristotle described some of these weird

777
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:33,919
rituals in his history of plants

778
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:35,760
and the quote from that they say that

779
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:38,480
the peony which some call

780
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:40,080
glycoside

781
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:42,159
should be dug up at night for if a man

782
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:44,159
does it in the daytime and is observed

783
00:31:49,029 --> 00:31:46,960
by a woodpecker while he is gathering

784
00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:49,039
the fruit he risks the loss of his

785
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:50,240
eyesight

786
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:52,320
and if he is cutting the root at the

787
00:31:57,430 --> 00:31:56,080
time he gets the prolapsed anus

788
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:57,440
and he continues

789
00:32:01,269 --> 00:31:59,279
once you draw three circles around

790
00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:01,279
mandrake with a sword

791
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:03,919
and cut it with one's face to the west

792
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:06,080
and at the cutting of the second piece

793
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:08,559
once you dance around the plant and say

794
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:10,480
as many things as possible about the

795
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:12,720
mysteries of love

796
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:14,480
i know sound like doctors today doesn't

797
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:15,120
it

798
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:16,640
much the same thing

799
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:18,320
on the other hand the medical literature

800
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:20,320
subsequently found in greece differed

801
00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:22,720
markedly from that found elsewhere it

802
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:25,360
included reasoned arguments and debates

803
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:27,360
reflecting an intellectual openness

804
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:29,600
consistent with greek philosophy rather

805
00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:31,519
than medicine as some sort of secret

806
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:33,679
mystical art the links between medicine

807
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:35,440
and philosophy can be traced back to

808
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:36,799
parmenides

809
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:39,120
empidocles and even pythagoras whose

810
00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:41,039
ideas on appropriate living

811
00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:44,320
including a ban on eating beans

812
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:45,919
fair enough

813
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:48,000
athens was one of the first city states

814
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:50,880
to employ a publicly funded physician as

815
00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:52,399
a more rational alternative to

816
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:54,320
traditional folk medicine

817
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:56,159
other greek cities also maintained a

818
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:58,080
public physician as well as several

819
00:33:02,710 --> 00:33:00,159
private practitioners

820
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:02,720
the greek historian herodotus tells the

821
00:33:06,789 --> 00:33:04,799
tale of the early greek physician

822
00:33:08,389 --> 00:33:06,799
democradies of croton

823
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:08,399
who started his career in the civil

824
00:33:13,830 --> 00:33:10,880
service of athens and argena

825
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:13,840
in 522 bce democities was captured by

826
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:16,320
the persians and sent to susa

827
00:33:20,789 --> 00:33:18,720
the persian king darius once sprained

828
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:20,799
his ankle while he was hunting and his

829
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:24,000
egyptian doctors seemed to make it worse

830
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:26,240
their eyes then summoned democities who

831
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:28,559
was able to heal the ankle using greek

832
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:31,760
remedies thomastides was richly rewarded

833
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:34,080
and hired as a physician of the persian

834
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:35,200
court

835
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:38,480
darius's wife atosa later had a breast

836
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:41,360
ulcer when democities cured her ulcer he

837
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:44,799
was allowed to visit greece as a reward

838
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:46,480
schools of medicine had existed for some

839
00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:48,960
time in various regions of greece

840
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:50,960
most notably on the island of costs

841
00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:52,480
associated with the famous name of

842
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:55,360
hippocrates a younger contemporary of

843
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:56,559
herodotus

844
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:59,440
hippocrates contribution to medicine is

845
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:01,200
best remembered today by the ethical

846
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:03,600
oath bearing his name

847
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:05,600
the hypocritical very little is known of

848
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:07,679
hippocrates himself or how much of the

849
00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:09,599
hippocrates medical treatises he

850
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:11,440
personally wrote

851
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:13,440
hippocrates is cited in later works by

852
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:15,919
aristotle and plato but the greek habit

853
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:17,760
of composing imaginary speeches or

854
00:34:22,069 --> 00:34:20,560
letters by famous people from the past

855
00:34:25,829 --> 00:34:22,079
gradually blurred the distinction

856
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:27,349
in the following references to

857
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:29,440
hippocrates are actually references to

858
00:34:34,629 --> 00:34:31,359
the large body of medical literature

859
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:34,639
bearing his name the hippocratic corpus

860
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:36,480
hippocrates attempted to put medical

861
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:38,560
diagnosis and treatment on a rational

862
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:39,839
basis

863
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:41,839
he viewed the human body as an organism

864
00:34:45,109 --> 00:34:43,919
whose parts must be understood as a

865
00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:45,119
whole

866
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:46,480
hippocrates thought that human

867
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:49,040
physiology comprised four fluids or

868
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:52,240
humors blood phlegm black bile and

869
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:54,720
yellow bile corresponding to the four

870
00:34:58,710 --> 00:34:57,440
inanimate elements of earth air fire and

871
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:58,720
water

872
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:00,240
disease was thought to result from an

873
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:02,800
imbalance of these humors resulting in a

874
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:05,040
disturbance of the natural harmony and

875
00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:06,640
order of the world

876
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:09,119
so important to classical greek thought

877
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:11,680
hippocrates also placed emphasis on

878
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:14,480
prognosis as well as diagnosis so that

879
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:16,079
the cause of an illness could be

880
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:17,200
predicted

881
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:19,280
the more familiarity a physician showed

882
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:21,599
with a disease the more confidence his

883
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:23,440
patients would have in him

884
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:26,400
prognosis also had practical benefits

885
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:28,720
in planning the medical interventions

886
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:31,599
that would be needed at different times

887
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:33,520
in the absence of modern germ theory of

888
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:35,520
infectious disease the danger to health

889
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:38,000
from overcrowding within the long walls

890
00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:40,480
of athens was not foreseen resulting in

891
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:43,760
a devastating plague in 430 bc as

892
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:46,160
described by the cities in his book the

893
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:48,240
peloponnesian war

894
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:50,000
thucydides did not attempt to explain

895
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:51,760
the reasons for the plague but in the

896
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:54,320
prognostic tradition of hippocrates

897
00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:56,079
he tried to describe its symptoms and

898
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:57,920
effects so that if it's struck again it

899
00:36:02,390 --> 00:36:00,000
could be recognized active medical

900
00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:02,400
intervention include cauterizations and

901
00:36:07,190 --> 00:36:04,960
bloodletting as well as surgery the

902
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:07,200
rectification of dislocations and the

903
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:09,280
setting of bone fractures

904
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:12,320
other therapies included cupping

905
00:36:17,109 --> 00:36:13,680
still around

906
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:17,119
remedies

907
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:18,240
etc

908
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:20,960
potions purgatives and exercises

909
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:22,560
consistent with the idea of bringing the

910
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:24,560
body back into balance

911
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:27,280
still around one rather spectacular

912
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:29,200
treatment often performed in public was

913
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:30,400
succussion

914
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:32,240
where the patient would be tied upside

915
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:33,760
down to a ladder

916
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:35,440
and then repeatedly dropped from a

917
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:38,240
height of several feet

918
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:40,160
and more concussion than this location

919
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:42,000
it is unclear what succussion was

920
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:43,599
supposed to achieve

921
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:45,359
but it is worth noting that percussion

922
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:47,760
is a word still used by homeopaths to

923
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:49,359
describe a shaking step in the

924
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:51,920
preparation of their water doses

925
00:36:56,950 --> 00:36:54,720
samuel harman the founder of homeopathy

926
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:56,960
believes that surcussion activated the

927
00:37:01,510 --> 00:36:58,560
vital energy

928
00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:01,520
in quotes of the diluted substance and

929
00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:03,520
made it stronger

930
00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:05,280
so what you're seeing in the greek days

931
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:06,720
is repeated

932
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:14,069
so that's part one of this article on

933
00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:16,079
the call of the quack

934
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:18,160
which is from the skeptic magazine

935
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:22,480
september 2013 volume 33 number three

936
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:24,320
the next talk i'll be taking it up from

937
00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:25,839
the roman point of view so we'll look to

938
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:26,800
the greek and then we'll look at the

939
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:28,960
roman and see how they take the idea of

940
00:37:33,130 --> 00:37:31,520
quackery and how it eventually ends up

941
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:33,140
with us

942
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:46,560
[Music]

943
00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:48,960
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944
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945
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946
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947
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:02,560
there you will also find free to

948
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:06,320
download almost 40 years of back issues

949
00:38:11,589 --> 00:38:08,640
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950
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951
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:13,680
as a digital copy delivered to your

952
00:38:17,370 --> 00:38:29,430
[Music]

953
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,790
thank you

954
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:35,109
it's time once again to open up the

955
00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:37,359
digital pages and you open up a digital

956
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:39,440
page you click on it i guess you click

957
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:41,440
on it and you discover

958
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:43,119
you're in the trove archives at

959
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:44,960
trove.nla.gov

960
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:46,800
dot a u

961
00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:48,880
for those of you who don't know this is

962
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:50,720
the online resource from the australian

963
00:38:54,550 --> 00:38:52,480
government and the national library of

964
00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:54,560
australia which is just chock-a-block

965
00:39:02,950 --> 00:38:56,000
full

966
00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:02,960
especially of newspapers and magazines

967
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:04,400
and the good thing is you can do your

968
00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:06,320
search and as we've been doing now for

969
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:07,359
many months

970
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:09,200
we do a search

971
00:39:13,589 --> 00:39:11,200
and currently we're researching

972
00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:13,599
paranormal things like ufos esp

973
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:14,800
paranormal

974
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:16,720
in general clairvoyance

975
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:18,400
that sort of thing

976
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:21,920
[Music]

977
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:23,520
now let's start with a short clipping

978
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:25,680
here from the sydney morning herald way

979
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:29,839
back in 1950 the 18th of november

980
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:33,760
uk town sees flying sources

981
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:36,240
real ones

982
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:38,400
now it's interesting to note that uh so

983
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:41,200
this dates from 1950 the term

984
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:42,960
flying saucer

985
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:44,720
was not that old

986
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:47,040
by 1950

987
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:49,520
from our staff correspondent

988
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:50,640
london

989
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:52,560
november 17

990
00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:53,520
cups

991
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:56,960
sauces teapots and plates are jumping

992
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:59,440
off the counter in an ipswich suffolk

993
00:40:02,710 --> 00:40:00,480
cafe

994
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:02,720
and whistling through the air

995
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:05,520
according to the daily herald today the

996
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:07,680
proprietor thinks a poltergeist a

997
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:10,720
mischievous ghost is at work he has

998
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:12,400
asked for the help from the rector of

999
00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:16,000
bali essex who lives in britain's most

1000
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:17,680
haunted rectory

1001
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:20,880
11 people say they have seen cups hurtle

1002
00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:23,040
through the air and crash on the floor

1003
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:24,880
during the last few days

1004
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:27,440
a policeman called to investigate

1005
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:30,480
he was greeted by crashing cups

1006
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:32,160
i've got a funny um

1007
00:40:35,670 --> 00:40:33,760
a funny

1008
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:35,680
feeling i might have mentioned this

1009
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:38,400
story before because it's so short and

1010
00:40:42,309 --> 00:40:40,480
and so funny

1011
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:42,319
now this promises to be an interesting

1012
00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:46,000
one way back in 1975 on the

1013
00:40:50,309 --> 00:40:48,160
26th of september

1014
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:50,319
from the canberra times

1015
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:51,359
books

1016
00:40:59,190 --> 00:40:54,400
so i guess it's a book review

1017
00:41:01,910 --> 00:40:59,200
children of the future bend a spoon

1018
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:01,920
and it seems to be a review of the book

1019
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:04,319
super minds an inquiry into the

1020
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:07,040
paranormal by professor john taylor

1021
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:11,440
published by macmillan 183 pages 11.50

1022
00:41:14,710 --> 00:41:13,280
cents reviewer

1023
00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:14,720
byron jan

1024
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:17,359
tearvile

1025
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:19,200
or turville

1026
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:21,839
during a bbc television show in november

1027
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:25,359
1973 professor taylor sat behind yuri

1028
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:26,400
gellar

1029
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:29,599
when the latter demonstrated his powers

1030
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:31,680
he knew that gala claimed to be able to

1031
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:34,560
bend metal objects by sheer mental power

1032
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:36,720
and as a specialist in molecular physics

1033
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:38,800
he found that hard to believe

1034
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:41,440
witnessing geller at work had an

1035
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:44,079
overwhelming effect on him in front of

1036
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:46,800
his own eyes metal objects developed

1037
00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:49,280
soft regions bent

1038
00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:51,520
and sometimes broke under geller's

1039
00:41:55,829 --> 00:41:53,200
gentle strokes

1040
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:55,839
oh dear emmy if i'd only been there at

1041
00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:57,920
the time i could have said by the way

1042
00:42:02,630 --> 00:41:59,920
look at that anyway

1043
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:02,640
professor taylor had already spent much

1044
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:05,920
of his life struggling to expand the

1045
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:08,160
traditional boundaries of physics

1046
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:11,200
quite in line with his previous efforts

1047
00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:14,160
to push research into the unknown he

1048
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:16,640
took geller's stage show as a challenge

1049
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:17,920
to science

1050
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:20,640
his book is a result of his subsequent

1051
00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:22,319
enquiries

1052
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:24,000
it presents an effort to find a

1053
00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:26,160
scientific explanation for metal bending

1054
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:28,960
and by extension for clairvoyance and

1055
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:32,720
telepathy his first observation was most

1056
00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:35,599
encouraging geller's strange powers

1057
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:37,520
appeared not to be unique

1058
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:40,000
the telecast had sparked off a wave of

1059
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:42,720
home experiments and several people

1060
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:44,640
mainly women and children found that

1061
00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:47,280
they could do the same distort metal

1062
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:49,520
objects without exerting the pressure

1063
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:53,040
that ordinarily would be needed to do so

1064
00:42:58,150 --> 00:42:55,200
some claimed to be able to do it without

1065
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:58,160
actually touching the object at all well

1066
00:43:02,630 --> 00:42:59,760
that's a big claim

1067
00:43:03,550 --> 00:43:02,640
in britain alone about a handful of

1068
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:03,560
quote

1069
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:10,079
visited and subjected to some tests by

1070
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:11,200
the author

1071
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:14,079
in the book he describes how these tests

1072
00:43:18,550 --> 00:43:16,480
helped him along in the investigation of

1073
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:18,560
this particular skill

1074
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:21,680
step by step he eliminates some

1075
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:24,400
explanations which spring first to the

1076
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:25,359
four

1077
00:43:30,910 --> 00:43:28,160
fraud optical illusion the use of

1078
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:30,920
chemicals heat or a source of

1079
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:33,040
radioactive power

1080
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:35,440
now i'll just stop here to say that's a

1081
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:37,680
that's very interesting observation

1082
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:41,440
it's a lot of red herrings uh of course

1083
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:43,359
you know all these years later we know

1084
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:45,040
it's a magic trick it's sleight of hand

1085
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:46,640
it's countering

1086
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:49,280
but if you don't know how it works then

1087
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:51,599
i guess you might want to try and

1088
00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:54,000
eliminate all sorts of things

1089
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:56,240
radioactive power

1090
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,640
we read on

1091
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:00,240
he obtained little encouragement from

1092
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:02,960
his fellow scientists in this quest

1093
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:05,040
in fact most of his colleagues seem to

1094
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:07,040
have tried to keep him from making a

1095
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:08,720
fool of himself

1096
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,280
consequently he had no generous research

1097
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:13,440
funds available to create the ideal

1098
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:16,240
testing situations and much of the

1099
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:18,480
evidence of this book

1100
00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:21,359
rests therefore upon data which the

1101
00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:24,400
skeptics will dismiss straight away as

1102
00:44:30,309 --> 00:44:27,200
unscientific and unreliable

1103
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:30,319
however the fact remains that if only a

1104
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:32,720
single case of strange metal bending

1105
00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:35,440
phenomenon is proven genuine professors

1106
00:44:40,550 --> 00:44:38,480
taylor's quest is of immense importance

1107
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:40,560
the author claims to have documented

1108
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:43,280
many such genuine instances of the

1109
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:44,640
phenomenon

1110
00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:47,040
and all who trust his veracity or

1111
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:49,599
therefore to take note of his findings

1112
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:52,640
if his observations are right it may

1113
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:54,319
make the scientific study of

1114
00:44:59,670 --> 00:44:57,200
parapsychology more widely accepted than

1115
00:45:02,230 --> 00:44:59,680
it has been the two

1116
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:02,240
given the author's history of rather

1117
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:04,720
unorthodox research he must have

1118
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:07,599
relished in his findings

1119
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:10,079
having ruled out to his own satisfaction

1120
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:12,319
all possibilities of modern science to

1121
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:14,640
explain the phenomenon he proceeds to

1122
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:16,880
widen the limitations of science in

1123
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:19,359
order to encompass metal bending

1124
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:21,599
with alacrity he shakes off the shackles

1125
00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:23,839
of science and his fertile brain comes

1126
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:26,960
up with new models in which to fit his

1127
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:29,200
particular gift it is fascinating

1128
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:31,680
reading material even for the

1129
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:33,280
skeptically

1130
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:34,480
minded

1131
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:36,960
however professor taylor gives his

1132
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:40,000
opponent some formidable weapons in the

1133
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:42,240
first place he recounts a multitude of

1134
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:44,560
extraordinary events ascribed to gela

1135
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:46,000
which have little to do with the main

1136
00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:48,480
object of the book thus he reports that

1137
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:52,160
gela can reputably be in more than one

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00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:53,359
place

1139
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:55,200
that he can move objects from one

1140
00:46:01,510 --> 00:45:58,400
continent to another by sheer willpower

1141
00:46:02,470 --> 00:46:01,520
and he is in communication with outer

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00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:02,480
space

1143
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:05,200
geller himself in the midst of his stage

1144
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:08,160
career is wise enough not to deny these

1145
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:11,440
rumors but professor taylor's inclusion

1146
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:14,800
of such legends weakens his case

1147
00:46:19,349 --> 00:46:17,760
it makes him seem rather credulous and a

1148
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:19,359
little too willing to believe in the

1149
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:22,319
events which he proposes to scrutinize

1150
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:24,800
with scientific detachment another

1151
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:27,359
aspect of the book which probably will

1152
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:29,040
boost sales

1153
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:31,359
but which detracts from the scientific

1154
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:33,200
approach lies in some of the

1155
00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:36,000
illustrations a multitude of graphs

1156
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:39,520
photographs and plates are to the point

1157
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:41,440
representing the particular

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00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:44,800
humanly included metal fatigue

1159
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:47,040
and its related problems

1160
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:49,119
however scattered throughout the book

1161
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:51,839
are a series of illustrations which are

1162
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:54,480
definitely not referred to in the text

1163
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:56,560
which clearly fall outside the scope of

1164
00:47:01,750 --> 00:46:59,520
the book and even sometimes negate the

1165
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:01,760
author's statements and these are

1166
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:04,319
pictures repeatedly showing

1167
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:06,720
ectoplasm emitting from people

1168
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:08,560
illustrations which ought to be in a

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00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:10,560
book on acupuncture

1170
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:14,000
photographs of spirits of the dead and

1171
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:17,040
an intriguing snapshot of a man who

1172
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:19,520
levitates many a scientist may suspect

1173
00:47:24,549 --> 00:47:21,440
some to be nothing more than trick

1174
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:24,559
photographs such illustrations are

1175
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:27,119
rather irrelevant to the text and the

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00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:29,680
author himself states categorically

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that he does not believe a camera would

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be able to photograph a ghost

1179
00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:37,599
such images existing only in the mind of

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the beholder

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notwithstanding these shortcomings the

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00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:45,920
book is a captivating report of unusual

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00:47:50,829 --> 00:47:48,160
observations and experiments of

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00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:50,839
temporary conclusions and tentative

1185
00:47:56,549 --> 00:47:53,520
probes at the very end of the volume

1186
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:56,559
taylor's expanded scientific model takes

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00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:57,520
shape

1188
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:00,720
is it just feasible that certain people

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can control the admission of low

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00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:05,200
frequency energy and that this energy

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00:48:11,109 --> 00:48:08,160
under certain circumstances acts as a

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00:48:12,309 --> 00:48:11,119
catalyst which releases the inner strain

1193
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:12,319
of objects

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00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:15,599
this type of emission would be virtually

1195
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:17,839
impossible to monitor with existing

1196
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:20,640
machinery but professor taylor suggests

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00:48:24,549 --> 00:48:23,520
that a human brain may just be able to

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do so

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00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:26,880
thus the author presents a scientific

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00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:29,359
hypothesis which covers the phenomenon

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00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:30,880
of metal bending

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00:48:37,829 --> 00:48:33,440
as well as telepathy and some forms of

1203
00:48:41,109 --> 00:48:37,839
clairvoyance he hopes that by inference

1204
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:41,119
it will shed light on the ancient skills

1205
00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:43,680
of psychic healing the laying on of

1206
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:47,680
hands and some forms of mediumship

1207
00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:50,640
testing whether he is on the right track

1208
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:52,400
will probably make for

1209
00:48:55,730 --> 00:48:54,240
highly stimulating

1210
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:55,740
further research

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00:49:03,349 --> 00:49:00,720
[Music]

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00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:03,359
i can't help that remember something

1213
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:05,599
james randy once said

1214
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:07,680
when the u.s government spend millions

1215
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:09,440
of dollars on psychic research he said

1216
00:49:13,990 --> 00:49:10,800
he could have saved them all that money

1217
00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:14,000
with the cheap phone call

1218
00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:16,160
so professor taylor what was this book

1219
00:49:23,490 --> 00:49:19,760
called again superminds an inquiry into

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00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:27,670
[Music]

1221
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:29,119
so there we go

1222
00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:31,920
some interesting items here and there

1223
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:34,400
from the archives to do the paranormal

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00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:35,760
esp

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00:49:42,829 --> 00:49:40,870
and you too can discover what's waiting

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00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:42,839
for you at trove

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00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:44,800
trove.nla.gov

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00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:46,319
the online resource from the australian

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00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:47,680
government and the national library of

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00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:48,880
australia

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00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:51,119
have a look put in your search criteria

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00:49:57,370 --> 00:49:52,640
and you'll never know

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00:49:57,380 --> 00:50:15,030
[Music]

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00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:16,870
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1235
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:19,520
zone coming up next week part two of the

1236
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:21,359
book of tim's current little series

1237
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:23,520
about quackery where tim looks at

1238
00:50:29,589 --> 00:50:26,880
quackery in ancient rome

1239
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:29,599
and also i'm trying to line up

1240
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:31,760
maynard to do an interview with a book

1241
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:33,839
author hopefully i can do that in the

1242
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:35,760
next week or two

1243
00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:37,280
always hard to tell because you know

1244
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:39,280
what

1245
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:41,200
we can't predict the future

1246
00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:43,920
thank you to all my patreons and paypal

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without whom there would be no show

1249
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:50,400
and as i've said before the microphone

1250
00:50:56,069 --> 00:50:52,640
i'm speaking into which is being fed

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00:50:58,630 --> 00:50:56,079
into my zoom h6 mixer

1252
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:58,640
listening on my i keep mentioning

1253
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:00,480
products here it's the shaw microphone

1254
00:51:05,670 --> 00:51:02,960
into my zoom mixer to listen with my

1255
00:51:06,829 --> 00:51:05,680
what are these my uh

1256
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:06,839
sony

1257
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:08,400
headset

1258
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:10,800
and sometimes i use my rode

1259
00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:11,599
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1260
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:13,680
other microphone there we are lots of

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00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:16,000
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00:51:20,829 --> 00:51:18,480
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1270
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:36,640
of information have a look have a look

1271
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:38,079
right at the top of the page i have a

1272
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:40,079
handy link to the great australian

1273
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:41,920
psychic prediction project

1274
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1275
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:44,880
have that read to you

1276
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if you scroll to the bottom of the page

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let me do that right now scroll scroll

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you can watch the vaccination chronicles

1281
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1282
00:52:02,549 --> 00:52:00,000
listen to solar flare the band of power

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00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:02,559
the radio play i wrote and produced some

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throughout the galaxy

1290
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:17,839
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1291
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:19,280
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1292
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it's old-time radio from the future so

1293
00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:23,359
you can listen to that right off the

1294
00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:25,760
page then you can download if you keep

1295
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:27,200
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1296
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:29,440
as michelle bickersma reminds us

1297
00:52:35,589 --> 00:52:32,800
occasionally on the show with her little

1298
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:35,599
segment little ad in japanese

1299
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:38,800
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00:52:43,349 --> 00:52:41,440
folded and photographed by myself

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it's the selection there or if you

1302
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scroll right to the bottom you can click

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and go to the shop where you can

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download

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for a reasonable fee lots of other

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origami posters i've done and that money

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help support the skeptic zone

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00:53:05,109 --> 00:53:03,760
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1311
00:53:07,750 --> 00:53:05,119
if you go to the top of the page and

1312
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:07,760
click the episodes link

1313
00:53:10,630 --> 00:53:08,960
and then

1314
00:53:12,790 --> 00:53:10,640
at the top of the next page you'll be

1315
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:12,800
presented with a search box so if you

1316
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:14,559
type in your search question your search

1317
00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:17,280
criteria there you can find out in

1318
00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:19,119
episodes past where i might have covered

1319
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:21,839
a certain topic or spoken about somebody

1320
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:24,240
so that's very handy too all that at

1321
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:26,800
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1322
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:28,720
but for this week this is richard

1323
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:30,720
saunders signing off from sydney

1324
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:37,829
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1325
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00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:13,359
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1339
00:54:28,309 --> 00:54:15,920
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1340
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:29,750
just a second this is the richard

1341
00:54:34,549 --> 00:54:32,640
saunders skeptic zone so he always does

1342
00:54:36,390 --> 00:54:34,559
this dice game at the very end it's like

1343
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:36,400
an easter egg have you ever been on a

1344
00:54:41,589 --> 00:54:38,880
podcast before susan

1345
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:41,599
i've never ever been able to kiss today

1346
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:42,640
before

1347
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:44,880
not today you haven't been up not today

1348
00:54:49,270 --> 00:54:46,720
all right okay

1349
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:49,280
okay tomorrow we're here there we go

1350
00:54:52,870 --> 00:54:50,720
all right so i had to put a lot of

1351
00:54:55,270 --> 00:54:52,880
thought into this now i was always five

1352
00:54:57,510 --> 00:54:55,280
five five right and we did some weeks

1353
00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:57,520
ago we had five five five we really did

1354
00:55:02,150 --> 00:55:00,079
oh i've been told mm-hmm i didn't see

1355
00:55:03,990 --> 00:55:02,160
the die you

1356
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:04,000
never hear the end of this how do you

1357
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:08,240
tell the six from the nine ah because

1358
00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:09,599
it's got a little

1359
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:12,160
mark under it you see that yes

1360
00:55:17,349 --> 00:55:15,359
okay so i've had to think should i watch

1361
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:17,359
to another number now that we've had

1362
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:19,280
five five five adrian

1363
00:55:23,829 --> 00:55:21,599
i mean i spent hours thinking about it

1364
00:55:25,910 --> 00:55:23,839
adrian has said six six six

1365
00:55:28,710 --> 00:55:25,920
rob is four four four

1366
00:55:30,870 --> 00:55:28,720
five five five all right stay with five

1367
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:30,880
because what's it you know you might you

1368
00:55:34,309 --> 00:55:32,640
might as well are you sure if you're in

1369
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:34,319
australia yeah don't you have the line

1370
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:36,000
on top of the number yeah i'll try that

1371
00:55:38,710 --> 00:55:37,440
no try it upside down is that one

1372
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:38,720
question

1373
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:40,559
everybody put your guess on the first

1374
00:55:44,950 --> 00:55:42,960
roll in the chat i put all three eight

1375
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:44,960
seven six

1376
00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:46,319
that's a good idea okay here comes the

1377
00:55:50,470 --> 00:55:48,880
first one it's a ten sided diet yellow

1378
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:50,480
one two three four five six seven eight

1379
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:51,920
nine or ten

1380
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:53,760
i'll try to do it so you can at least

1381
00:56:03,990 --> 00:55:59,309
first number is three

1382
00:56:08,069 --> 00:56:06,150
i chose three numbers

1383
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:08,079
okay very good okay

1384
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:10,079
second number coming up

1385
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:13,680
and you people at home you can use your

1386
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:15,599
psychic prediction power to guess what

1387
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:17,760
comes up here it comes

1388
00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:21,599
crunch crunch crunch oh susan goevick

1389
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:23,599
it's a five

1390
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:25,280
okay there you go there you go that's

1391
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:27,040
what i'm talking about we're warming up

1392
00:56:39,910 --> 00:56:37,109
[Music]

1393
00:56:42,470 --> 00:56:39,920
and the lucky last number is 10

1394
00:56:56,069 --> 00:56:42,480
represented by zero on this dice

1395
00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:57,670
thank you richard saunders we can do a

1396
00:57:00,950 --> 00:56:59,280
supplementary using this one skeptic

1397
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:00,960
zone

1398
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:03,440
all right one last go this is a d6 okay

1399
00:57:08,789 --> 00:57:06,640
i'm gonna guess a five

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00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:08,799
the g6 i'm just gonna shake it in my

1401
00:57:12,549 --> 00:57:10,319
hand and present it to the camera and

1402
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:12,559
whatever number i presented the camera

1403
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:14,880
here's the number here it goes

1404
00:57:21,109 --> 00:57:19,030
oh that was a sleight of hand that was

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00:57:22,789 --> 00:57:21,119
like spoonberry pan wasn't it it's not

1406
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:22,799
rigged it was a one in six chance and it

1407
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:25,680
came up five i promise i just see what

1408
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:26,960
i'm doing i'm doing that i don't need

1409
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:28,559
you

1410
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:31,200
i tried i'm somewhat sorta i gotta get